Shitty week

Aug. 3rd, 2012 10:29 am
draggonlaady: (Nice Girl)
This has been a week just full of owner fail and subsequent frustration for veterinarians.
Full details to follow, but for now, an open question:

What could go wrong when an owner decides to administer fluids intra-abdominally to sick puppies? I kinda want a list of things that maybe not-medically-trained folks can come up with off the top of your heads, and what your reaction as a pet owner would be if you were told to do this? For those medically untrained enough that you don't know what I am talking about - if someone suggested to you that your sick puppy was dehydrated and therefore you should give it fluids by putting a needle through the belly wall/flank directly into the abdomen, what would you think of that idea?

Better day

Mar. 3rd, 2011 07:58 pm
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Very little on the crazy spectrum today. And Mrs Miller did follow through with giving us money, so no need for nagging phone calls, yay! The only kinda weird was a woman who came in looking for a couple of kittens. When I said that we have a couple sheriff's department impounds that will be going to rescue, but they haven't been spayed yet, she explained that she "doesn't have a cat problem" so she doesn't really care if they're spayed. This is NOT a good way to get me to adopt a cat to you, in case you wondered. I pointed out to her that the fastest way to develop a cat problem is to put a couple intact females out for the males to find, because they will come from miles around, and just because you haven't noticed them doesn't mean they aren't there. And I did not give her any cats.

Oh, the internet thing--I called back the next day and talked to the receptionist again, basically "nobody called me back, what's being done?" and she informed me that J would be stopping by today. Well, that's nice (really), and also nice (sarcastically). Good that he'll come down, rather annoying that nobody thought maybe they should call ahead and see if there was a good time or a time that just flat wouldn't work for me (not gonna be there, we're closed for lunch, whatever). J seems to think that the issue has something to do with the fact that we're using a static IP address. Since I have no freaking clue what that even means, one of you computer gurus wanna hazard a guess as to why having a static IP would cause wireless to intermittently drop service? Just as curiosity, really, because I'm still thinking the faster DSL at the same cost/month is the way to go.

Bought plane tickets to Alaska. For those of you who care, you apparently cannot buy Alaska Airlines tickets through Orbitz, you have to go directly to AA website. Which turns out to be less expensive than Orbitz anyway (by a few bucks, nothing shocking) but the flight choice options were less "build your own" than Orbitz--you can't mix-and-match return flights for some reason; choosing one way locks you into certain return trips. Whatever. But it looks like I'll have a layover in sea-tac on my return trip, if anybody in the area wants to meet for dinner on the 28th of May. And about 4 hours or so in Juneau on the way up, so if there's anything that I absolutely MUST see in Juneau that takes less than 3 hours, let me know.
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The weekend was hell on wheels; no reason why, as it wasn't a full moon.

Saturday I showed up to work and we had 4 things scheduled, only 2 of which needed an exam. That changed.

Ended up with 2 dogs that we had to completely anesthetize just to get the grass seeds out of their ears. One of them was just too bouncy to cope with, the other one was trying to eat my technician.

Despite being a non-painful procedure, we had to sedate the crap out of another dog so we could take x-rays of it's elbows, because he's a total freak about any restraint.

2 euthanasias.

And 1 really nice, calm, friendly, handsome cat for a rabies shot.

First thing in the morning, I called Mrs Miller about some blood work on a bitch she's trying to get bred. Told her that Monday morning would be a good time to breed. She asks can I do it tomorrow (Sunday). I say that Monday should be fine. She wants Sunday. I tell her it'll more than double her cost, because I'm (sure as all fuck) charging her an emergency fee if she wants me to come in on Sunday. She says that's fine. Well, whatever. It's money and at least her dog is easy to collect from. Don't know why she keeps breeding him when he can't figure out how to work his equipment with the bitch though.

Get a call just as we're going to bed that night, about a cat with swelling around her spay incision. Figure "why the hell not?" Bring her on in tomorrow at 9 too, we can just have a whole 'nother day at the clinic.

So bright and early Sunday, we get to the clinic (I dragged Bruce along, because I'm mean that way). The folks with the cat are already there (half an hour before I told them to be), but that's okay, we get the cat looked at and squared away before Mrs Miller even gets there. She drops her dogs off, we get him collected and her inseminated, and all the normal morning chores done.

Mrs Miller comes to get the dogs, and I explain that while the dog was easy to collect and the semen looked good, there wasn't very much of it, so it might be a good idea to re-inseminate tomorrow morning. (Yeah, you know, the time we originally tried to get her scheduled for...) She makes an appointment for as late as possible in the afternoon (um. morning? afternoon? But, she was the one who was so worried about being too late if we waited until Monday in the first place.)

So we get home and finally get breakfast (lunch? applesauce waffles. yummy!) eaten just in time for another call.

Back to the clinic to put an IV catheter in an old sick dog.

Finish that and head to the grocery store. While there, get a call from a guy who says his parents are out of town and the neighbor is watching their dog. Neighbor just called him and says the dog got porcupined. He'll bring it in, but first he has to go get the dog. Okay.

We're just checking out when the guy calls back; seems the neighbors are very confused, and the porcupined dog is not his, it's the OTHER neighbor's dog (who looks similar).

Back a couple times more during the afternoon to check on the old sick dog and make sure his IV's flowing okay.

Thankfully, no calls in the middle of the night.

Which brings us to today...

Apparently, I am incapable of setting the alarm clock correctly, as it was turned off this AM. Woke up 20 minutes late, got to work 10 minutes late.

2 cat euthanasias this morning.

Mostly things are going fairly smoothly though.

Until I answer the phone. (I know, I should never do these things)

First caller wants an exact amount for a dental with extraction of a broken canine in a 10 year old dog we haven't seen for years. Had a long discussion about blood work and kidney disease and what we do if we find kidney disease. Wants exact amounts for all possibilities, but doesn't want to spend "a whole ton of money" on the dog. Back to the extraction; I try to explain that I can't give her an exact amount, because it depends on how long it takes to do the extraction, which in turn depends on how firmly attached the tooth is and how healthy the root is. Also, I can't even begin to guess on if there will be multiple extractions. Spend 15 minutes talking to her and I don't think she was at all happy with my inability to see the future.

Next one I answer starts right off with "We've got an emergency. My little dog's having a really hard time walking, and is holding her head all twisted around to the side."
"Okay, how long has that been going on?"
"Well, just a little while."
(Don't sigh exasperatedly into the phone!) "How long is a while?"
"Well, not long. Maybe about 10 minutes?"
"Alright. How long will it take you to get to the clinic?"
"We're just out here on B-lake Road."
(Again, DO NOT sigh exasperatedly into the phone! Obviously there is no point in telling her that there's a 30 minute drive difference between the near and far ends of the road.) "Okay, ma'am, but how long will it take you to get to the clinic?"
...
"Alright ma'am, if you come in right now, we can get you in with Dr S."
"Who?"
"Dr S H"
"What clinic did I call again?"
"The C Veterinary Clinic."
"And what doctor is that?"
"Dr. S H"
"I've never seen him."
"I'm sorry ma'am, he's been here for 18 years now. And he's the doctor who is available if you come in now. Otherwise, nobody will be available until after 4."
"Oh, well... okay."
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They really are ganging up on me.

Mrs Aggravation just brought in 3 of her own dogs, and one of Mrs Miller's, because Mrs Miller couldn't make it in today on her own.

Surprisingly, no hilarity ensued. I just find it frightening that 2 of my very favoritest breeders are apparently buddies.
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Why is it that the Millers have this compulsion to frustrate me by asking me something and then either arguing with or completely ignoring my answer?

Mr Miller asked me on the phone last night if he should put cayenne pepper on the dog's ear to make it stop bleeding. I very specifically told him no, because it would burn and irritate the tissue. In those words. Just flip the ear inside out, and bandage it to the head, and the pressure will stop the bleeding, said I.

Yet when Mrs Miller brings in the dog, she's very proud of herself for the fact that they got the bleeding stopped by coating the ear in cayenne powder. What the fuck?!? The skin of the entire face of the ear was bright red and irritated from soaking in this pepper under the bandage.

And when I made a comment about keeping the dog home so she stops getting injured, Mrs Miller blew it off with "well she was only out to go potty." Yeah. Apparently--she was out to go potty somewhere that she managed to snag her ear on something and tear it open, which makes it highly unlikely that she was remaining safely in the yard. These people are not just ignorant, it's like they're determined to stay as stupid as possible!
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Is an amusing movie. But apparently also true of my life. Or maybe it's just the Millers that are crazy. You remember the Millers, right? the ones with the most recent gunshot dog...

Well, they just called me. Just now. Being almost 10pm. It seems that the dog (the SAME dog) has gotten out and gotten tangled in something again, and gotten her ear all chewed up. They suspect coyotes. I have my doubts about coyotes doing no more damage than an ear laceration. I also have doubts about their general knowledge of what kind of critter makes what kind of injuries after Mrs Miller's "could it have been a cat" comment.

Anyway, back to tonight. They want to bring the dog in right now to have her ear stitched up, because the last time I stitched up her ear (The other ear. From before the gunshot thing. They blamed that one on barbed wire.) I had to cut some of the tissue off the edges of the laceration because it wasn't fresh. So they figure that if I do it right now, I won't have to debride it this time. The problem with this is that they live about an hour's drive away in good weather. It's snowing. A lot. And I do not want to wait until midnight to start working on this damned bitch.

Why the freaking bananas can these people not figure out that if they keep letting the bitch run loose around the mountain, she's going to keep getting hurt? frakking idjits!

http://draggonlaady.livejournal.com/113595.html
http://draggonlaady.livejournal.com/74346.html
http://draggonlaady.livejournal.com/64637.html
draggonlaady: (Grinding Bones)
Been quiet the last couple weeks, as you probably noticed from my lack of ranting. And then today, all hell broke loose. So I'll post one story, and go get dinner. Will probably just save the rest of the ranting for the next couple days.

About 9 am, Mrs Miller comes in with one of her dogs, just certain that she's been shot and is dying. When I come out, the dog's laying on the floor in the lobby--I don't know if they carried the dog in, dragged the dog in, or the dog walked in on her own. Irregardless, the dog would not stand to walk into the exam room, so Mrs Miller, in all her brilliance, starts dragging her across the room BY HER CHOKE CHAIN. (Oh, this is starting so well!)
I tell her to stop, we'll go get a stretcher and carry the dog. Does us no good to get her into the room if you strangle her to death in the process. Tech comes up with the stretcher, and we attempt to slide the dog onto it. Mrs Miller ever-so-helpfully picks the dog's head and neck up by grabbing the choke chain and heaving. Once again I tell her to stop. (No, I did not just reach out and slap her hands. God did I ever want to though!) She responds that she's not letting the chain tighten, so it won't strangle her. I point out that she's still picking the dog up (and this is a big dog, 75 pounds of not moving on her own right now) by a thin chain across the throat. Just please (KNOCK IT THE FUCK OFF) let us do it. We slide the dog onto the stretcher and lift her onto the exam table, and I start looking at the dog.
First thing is check the vitals--mucous membrane color, alertness, capillary refill, heart/lungs. When I start looking at the dog's mouth, Mrs Miller very urgently points at the dog's swollen front leg. "Yes, I see that. I'll get there in a minute." I finish with the vitals, and relatively certain that the dog will not expire in the next 5 minutes, I start looking at the rest of her. I work down the front legs, starting with the leg on top. Once again, Mrs Miller points out the (VERY FUCKING OBVIOUS) wound on the other front leg. "Yes, I see that. I'll get there in a minute." Not finding any gushing arteries or obviously broken bones in either front leg, I move down the body and start on the back legs. There are 2 puncture wounds on the inside of the lower hind leg. Once again, I start on the upper leg, it being closest to me. Mrs Miller begins pointing out the wounds on the other hind leg. "Yes, I see that. I'll get there in a minute." When I move to the injured hind leg, I'm examining the first puncture when Mrs Miller apparently just notices the second "There's ANOTHER one, right under your thumb!" "Yes, I see that. I'll get there in a minute." (Are we sensing a trend here?)
At this point, I'm not sure the dog's been shot at all--that hind leg injury is almost certainly a bite wound (unless one of you fine readers can explain how a bullet would make 2 punctures about 1 1/2" apart, one directly above the other on the inner face of the leg?). I explain to the owner that I don't think the hind leg is a bullet wound, but the front leg may be. Can't feel any fractures but we'd better take radiographs just in case, as bullet wounds often carve chunks off bones without completely shattering them. We'll take one of the hind leg also, since Mrs Miller just can't believe that it'd be a bite wound.
At this point, Mrs Miller (Thank all the Gods of ever!) heads off to work, leaving us to treat the dog.
We get a catheter and fluids going, give her a couple different pain meds, and head in to X-ray. Sure enough, no metal in the hind leg. Front leg has a lovely chunk of bullet right next to the radius though. Damn lucky dog--no bony damage at all. So clip and clean and flush all the wounds, start her on antibiotics, and call the cel phone number that Mrs Miller left with us.
Mr Miller answers. Mr Miller is up until this point completely unaware that the dog has been brought to the clinic, and is rather blind-sided by a doctor calling him up to discuss bullet wounds. We persevere none-the-less, and I explain why we are not rushing to surgery to remove the bullet, what the plan actually is (pain control, anti-inflamatories, anti-biotics, treatment for shock). This conversation actually goes relatively smoothly.
A few hours later, Mrs Miller calls in for an update. I explain to her that it appears to be 1 bite wound, probably from a dog of about the same size as this one, and 1 bullet wound, most likely from the owner of the other dog. Mrs Miller is (once again) surprised that I think her dog has a bite wound. Apparently, she thinks it's much more likely that the dog would be shot 3 times in the legs than that the dog would get in a fight. Yeah. Anyway, we discuss taking the dog home instead of leaving her in the clinic overnight, at home care, follow-up care, etc. She doesn't want to leave the dog overnight because she "can't afford any more vet bills." (Guess she's not selling the pups from her puppy-milling for enough.) Then she asks "you're open until 5:30 right?" No. (No, we have never been open until 5:30. We have always closed at 5 and you fucking well know this, because you've been told it at least a dozen times because you ALWAYS WANT TO COME IN AT 5!) I explain that if she wants to take the dog home tonight, she needs to be here by at least 15-20 minutes BEFORE 5:00 so that I can go over treatments and radiographs with her before closing.
At 4:40, Mrs Miller calls and explains that she's still 20 miles away. Can she still come get the dog?!? Receptionist heaves a short-tempered sigh that I can hear from the next room, and tells her she'd better get here as fast as she can.
At 5:10, Mrs Miller finally arrives. I show her the radiographs, and she asks me what the chances are that this was a "cat" bite. (I think it's pretty bloody unlikely, actually, which is why I've told you 4 damn times now that I think it's a dog bite, you moron.) I explain (calmly enough to impress myself, anyway) that cougars usually attack from above, so I would expect there to be bite wounds in the neck and shoulders, not the lower leg. Cougars would leave much larger bite wounds, and probably claw wounds also. And it's highly unlikely that if someone happened upon and dog and a cougar fighting, that they would shoot the dog.

For a bit more history on my dealings with the Millers, try here:
http://draggonlaady.livejournal.com/74346.html
and here:
http://draggonlaady.livejournal.com/64637.html
(Yes, this is the same dog that she bathed in Pine-Sol)
draggonlaady: (Grinding Bones)
Well, the woman with the "very sick puppy" never called or showed up today. Color me surprised.

BUT I did get to deal with one of my very favoritest repeat customers. She was mentioned briefly in this entry http://draggonlaady.livejournal.com/64637.html but I hadn't given her a name yet... she was the one that washed the dog in Pine-Sol.
She and her hubby are back yard breeders of Golden Retrievers. I shall call them Mr. and Mrs. Miller. I first saw them last fall when one of their "best" breeding bitches decided (apparently without provocation) to kill and eat their daughter's spaniel (who I shall henceforth refer to as Chew Toy). She was prevented from accomplishing this goal only by the combined efforts of Mr, Mrs, and another gent--possibly a son? who tackled her and pried her jaws open with a rifle. Presumably, if the prying had failed they were going to shoot her.
Anyhoo...Chew Toy survived the patch him back together surgery, and Millers REBRED THE FUCKING BITCH. Great plan, that. But moving along...

Mrs Miller calls this afternoon. Seems that Chew Toy is constipated. I explain that dogs rarely get constipated, it's much more common that they have diarrhea and the irritation makes them strain when they have no feces to pass. She wants to know why the dog has diarrhea. I have no clue, there are only about three hundred things that might cause diarrhea in a dog. I'd have to see the dog to give her any more specific idea. She wants to know if it could be something he ate. Well, yes it could. But I won't know if it IS that without seeing him. But he's not one that usually eats things...Well then, maybe that's not what's causing it. BUT I WON'T KNOW WITHOUT SEEING HIM! After discussion of possible work-up including x-rays and bloodwork, she says she'll talk it over with Mr. and maybe bring him in.

Mrs Miller calls back about 20 minutes later and goes through basically the same conversation with the receptionist, except this time the dog maybe ate some chicken bones from the garbage and could he be constipated from that? again with the recommending to bring in, possible x-rays, bloodwork, etc. Again with the maybe.

Finally, at 3:15, Mrs Miller calls and says she'll bring the dog in. Since she lives almost an hour's drive away, Receptionist tells her to come straight away, as we will need time to do a thorough work up, what with the x-rays and blood work and all that we'll most likely be doing, and the clinic closes at 5.

They show up, you guessed it, at 4:40. Guess that's better than 4:50. The really frustrating part about this is that she's done the same fucking thing to me 3 times now. She KNOWS how long it takes to do this work up because we've done it on other dogs... So I didn't leave until almost 6 tonight. The story had changed again by the time they got here too. Seems that now she's remembered the dog had diarrhea day before yesterday, and nobody's seen it eat for 2 days. Oh, and it vomited day before yesterday and again today--that's why they called. (Um...what? you called because you thought the dog was constipated.) So x-rays, fecal, bloodwork later... As expected, no signs of constipation. I go through the x-rays with her, point out the interesting things, explain that there's very little in the intestines, no signs of obstruction, etc.
After which she asks me...so does it look like he's very constipated? Um. no....I guess bad on me for poor communication? Never assume that people actually pay attention to you when you're talking to them, I suppose.

Oh, and by the way...Is it ok if I come back on the 15th and write you a check then? (she drops this on me at the last minute, as I'm tallying her bill because the receptionist went home an hour ago). No. No, that's not ok. You can write me a check now, and we'll hold it until the 15th, but as with every other business in town, and as it clearly says on the placard at the front desk, payment is expected at time of services.

And updates on other things...
Cracked's limping Beast is doing better now that she's actually giving him the treatments we recommended.

Beeotch and the pregnant chihuahuah: we have still not gotten payment for her emergency call the beginning of November. The phone number we had for her, the one listed in the phone book, and the one given by 411 (all different) are all no longer in service or belong to someone else. The address we had for her is unknown per the post office. The address she gave us when she picked the chihuahua and pups up was different--and apparently has belonged to a different client of ours (who doesn't know her) for the last FIVE YEARS. So the nice, polite letter I sent telling her she's fired (and the warning notice that she's being sent to collections) never got to her. Ah well. Maybe the collections agency can hunt her skanky butt down.

The ringworm/fleas/lice/earmites scraggly rescue kitten is doing much better, but apparently spread ringworm to most of the household. Oops. Good thing I stressed the part about it being zoonotic and they should contact their doctor...

And apparently, my Cowardly Lion was the final straw that broke up the relationship between Local Breeder and Fila Woman. Hurray! So the dogs that are worth any money are being demanded back by Fila Woman, and the rest of them are staying with Local Breeder and getting fixed... she's already started scheduling spays.
draggonlaady: (Grinding Bones)
Had an entertaining (read: frustrating) discussion with a woman who should very much not be breeding dogs. It seems that she just got a new dog, and the previous owners say that she was not scratching or acting itchy before she came here. The new owner stopped by the clinic today (without the dog, mind you) to see if I knew why the dog could be itching. After telling her that I couldn’t begin to diagnose the dog without seeing it, I ran through the list of things most commonly causing itching: fleas, mites, allergies, ringworm… could be a more serious disease though, and I recommended she bring the dog in. At which point she informs me that she’s not seen any fleas on the dog, and she bathed it, get this, in PINE-SOL. Oh yeah. THAT’LL make the itching go away, honey. Floor cleaner on already irritated skin. Poor puppy!

A rather un-washed gent came in recently, and wanted to know if there was anything he could feed to 2 wild dogs that would knock them out so he could chain them up. Upon further discussion, this is the situation (condensed from the conversation): There are 2 dogs, one male, one female who’ve been living near this gent’s place (which, by the way, is a motor home with no power and no phone). He’s been feeding them, and say’s they’re basically “like his dogs” except that he can’t get anywhere near them. He likes having them around, because they bark and snarl if someone gets near his shop or boat. (I’m a bit skeptical that he has anything worth stealing, what with living in a motor home with no power, but what do I know?) Unfortunately, the dogs apparently kill and eat random beasts in the area—cats and deer, according to him—and the neighbors are fed up with it. He’s been told to do something about them or the neighbor will start shooting (the dogs, silly, not the gent). Apparently his previous attempts to catch these dogs included feeding them a bunch of beer to get them drunk, but the male didn’t drink any and the female still wouldn’t let him get near her even when she was inebriated. He seems unable to lure them into a fenced area or small building. After recommending that he contact Animal Control (sadly, the nearest Animal Control worth mentioning is about an hour away) and/or Fish and Wildlife about a live trap or tranq dart gun, we got down to what drugs I have on hand that he can try—which is only really one option and highly unlikely to be successful. But I sent him off with a few little pink pills to try and slip to the dogs, with the caveat that they’ll be sleepy/calm but not unconscious and will still be quite capable of biting the hell out of him or running away should he piss them off. I sincerely hope that this man does not succeed in catching these dogs and then expect me to work on them. It seems to me much more logical to shoot the untouchable, random-other-animal-killing dogs and get one that barks just as loud but is less likely to rip the man’s hand off at the shoulder. But again, what do I know?
draggonlaady: (Grinding Bones)
Time for more :)

1: Can you declaw my dog?
Technically, yes. But since it would require cutting off the last digit of all his toes to make sure they didn't grow back, it would not make you, your dog, or me happy to do so. You'll be much better served by teaching the dog not to jump on you and/or wearing pants. (Concept: train your dog--surgery won't fix all your problems)

2: I've got a litter of 9 puppies, and one is about half the size of the others. What do you think's wrong with it? oh, and one of them (but I'm not sure which one) has diarrhea. I already wormed them, do you think I should treat the whole litter? And what should I treat them with?
Um--what? Maybe you should figure out WHICH dog has diarrhea so we can figure out WHY before we start throwing drugs at the whole litter to treat something we don't know the cause of.
C'mon here people, TRY to think a little! And while we're at it, why are you even breeding?!

3: I've got a pregnant Jack Russell Terror. er, Terrier--not my fault; she's a rescue. But that means I don't know what breed the father is. If she has trouble whelping, you know, if the pups are too big or something, would you make a house call for that?
No. Really, really no. If the pups are too big, what exactly do you think I'm going to do about it at your house? C-section the poor bitch on your kitchen table with no anesthetic and no assistant?! If the dog has problems, you bring her to the clinic. And I'd suggest laying aside a few hundred dollars now just in case this happens. Yay on you for rescuing her, but I do not do at-home surgeries.

4: I've got a pony mare and a quarterhorse stud colt, and I want to know if it's ok to breed them. Will the mare have problems with that? The stud's not that much bigger than her.
This one got long, and I'm not gonna repeat the whole thing. But turns out that the mare is 15 years old already and has never been bred, and the stud's not much bigger than her because he's only 2. She's not particularly fond of the stud, just wants to breed him because he's convenient (she hasn't gotten around to gelding him yet is all). Woman has heard that Quarter horse-pony mixes are good kid's horses and she wants me to tell her that it's fine and she won't have any problems with this.
She wasn't particularly happy to learn that I thought it was a bad plan for the following reasons: Older maiden mares tend to have problems. The stud's size when he's only 2 is not indicative of his grown size or of the size of foals he'll throw. Breeding to a larger stud always includes the risk of a foal too large. Breeding to a horse you don't really thing is breeding quality anyway is never a good plan--really should look for a stud you actually like.
Sure, there's a good chance you can do this, have a happy mare and healthy foal. But I'm not recommending it because there're too many potentials for problems, and if you have a problem in a situation like this it's almost certain to be a huge wreck. There's NEVER a guarantee on breeding, I certainly won't promise you that if you pull this stunt, no matter how many friends you have with similar mix-breeds, that your mare and her foal will live happily ever after. If you're so damn fond of the mare that you want a younger horse just like her, go find another pony with a similar personality!

5: Not exactly a question, just a general point. It is exceedingly rude to call and ask for advice and then ARGUE ABOUT IT. If you want my opinion, great. If you're going to do whatever the hell you've already made up your mind to do no matter what I say, why are you wasting my time asking about it?!

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